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The need for both sovereignty and integrity

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:42 pm
by Anders
Many people complain about how the government is oppressive. And sure, we as humanity can do better than that. But removing governments and giving people full individual sovereignty requires that we have integrity. Otherwise society collapses into a Mad Max world with many people lacking integrity violating the integrity of others.

And also, governments provide structure and regulations useful for protecting the people (even though the power can be misused) and for organizing society. So if we want full personal sovereignty without governments telling us what to do we still need some system or collective consciousness managing things from a whole nation or world perspective.

Re: The need for both sovereignty and integrity

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:31 pm
by Anders
Waiting for all people on earth to develop a high enough level of integrity could take forever. And even with a global spiritual awakening of humanity, there is still the need for organizing society.

What is needed is a system of control aimed at protecting the personal integrity of people externally and maximizing individual sovereignty. The QAnon movement talks about a deep state and a cabal dominating the world in criminal and oppressive ways. I think there is truth to that, at least on the level of what they call 'optics' (if I have interpreted that term correctly).

It will be interesting to see if Trump's and Q's plan is real. Then that will bring about a huge change, first on the necessary national level in the U.S. and then be implemented in the rest of the world. And the plan includes promoting individual freedom while at the same time removing the deep state and the global cabal. Something like that. So that's a real possibility of achieving at least a major step in the direction of more sovereignty and integrity.

Re: The need for both sovereignty and integrity

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:18 pm
by Christine
Anarchy - "Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal." Could this possibly be worse than the horrors that are being done in the name of government and religion. Max Igan is one of my favorite commentators on the irrationality of contortions that the mind goes through to not see.

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Hello Anders, so you are back. ;) with transparent honesty I wonder why you are here. What you wrote is totally out of key and note with reality, that is in my humble opinion so take it as you will. If YOU don't feel capable of governing yourself and would allow a government or any outside authority to make decisions for you that is your sovereign right.

We are way beyond speculation at this point. QAnon and Trump, really? Max Igan strips away the contortions of the mind operating without reason or common sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OFbhZLzzUY

Re: The need for both sovereignty and integrity

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:54 pm
by Anders
Christine wrote:We are way beyond speculation at this point. QAnon and Trump, really? Max Igan strips away the contortions of the mind operating without reason or common sense.

I will check out the video. But people who think QAnon is a conspiracy theory need to look into it more thoroughly. And the recent mainstream news about Trump being in trouble is fake news basically I think.