How (Government?) Trolls Control an Internet Forum

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How (Government?) Trolls Control an Internet Forum

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How (Government?) Trolls Control an Internet Forum

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Techniques — Dirty Tricks
Without even knowing it, you may have witnessed these techniques in action. Perhaps in a political forum that feels somehow manipulated to suppress certain facts and points of view. Or in the deceptive comments that often follow a controversial article. Or in the disruptive behavior at a town hall meeting that seems oddly choreographed. Or at a meeting of activists where the “wrong” people seem to be taking over.

Like toxic mushrooms, the words and actions of these operatives can look harmless. That is why they can so easily poison the well of information.
The bottom line: Our purpose here is to inform you about some of the “dirty tricks” that may be shaping and distorting what you read online. Far from endorsing these attempts to hijack free and open discourse, we believe that exposing them can help blunt their power to confuse and control. Forewarned is forearmed.
Cointelpro Techniques for Control of an Internet Forum

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of an internet forum. Most involve dilution and misdirection. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that even a minimal number of operatives can eventually gain control of an “uncontrolled forum.”


“Forum Sliding”

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum, it can be quickly removed from public view by “forum sliding.” This maneuver brings unrelated postings to the top of the forum, and the critical posting “slides” down the front page — out of public view. [Ed.: By“sensitive posting of a critical nature”, the author refers to comments that include facts that interfere with the false narrative being promoted.]

In this technique a number of harmless posts are quietly pre-positioned on the forum and allowed to “age.” This is done in anticipation of troublesome postings. Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon to trigger a “forum slide.”

Several fake accounts should be ready when called upon. To trigger a “forum slide” and “flush” the critical post out of public view, it is simply a matter of logging into each account, both real and fake, and then ”replying” to pre-positioned postings with a simple one- or two-line comment.

Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the unwanted posting, it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and useless postings. This effectively focuses the attention of forum readers on non-issue items.


Inoculating the Public Against the Truth

A second highly effective technique is what we call “consensus cracking.”

Here’s how we develop a consensus crack: Under the guise of a fake account, a posting is made which looks legitimate — but the critical point is that it has very weak back-up. [Ed.: We assume this counterfeit posting contains some of the same points being made by those attempting to reveal the truth, but in a weaker form. Think of it as an “inoculation.”]

Once this is done, then, under alternative fake accounts, a very strong position in your favor [Ed.:“your” meaning the disinformant’s favor] is slowly introduced over the life of the posting.

It is imperative that both sides are initially presented, so that uninformed readers cannot determine which side is the truth — but assume they have seen all the relevant facts on both sides of the issue.

As postings and replies are made, the stronger “evidence” or disinformation in your favor is slowly “seeded in.”

Thus, uninformed readers will most likely accept the disinformation. But even if they don’t, they will probably drop their opposition to your posting.

However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then “abort” the consensus cracking by initiating a “forum slide.”


Turning a News Group into a Gossip Corner

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a “resource burn.”

By implementing continuous irrelevant postings that distract and disrupt the forum readers, they are effectively prevented from being productive. If the intensity of gradual dilution is great enough, the readers will stop researching and simply slip into a “gossip mode.”

In this state, they can be more easily misdirected away from facts. The less informed they are, the easier it is to control the entire group in the direction you desire.

It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological characteristics and levels of education of the group are first determined. You don’t want to “drive in the wedge” too soon. By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.


Collecting Information on Forum Members

This is about determining the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique, a light and positive environment is created, leading to “I’ll show you mine, you show me yours” postings. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided, much information can be gathered.

For example, posing as one of the forum members, post your “favorite weapon” and then encourage others to showcase theirs. It can then be determined what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and/or illegal weapon.

Or, post your favorite “technique of operation.” From the replies, methods used by the group can be studied, and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.


Identifying Violent Forum Members

Statistically, there is always a percentage of forum posters who are inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, you present an image that will incite a strong psychological reaction.

For example, post a link to a video depicting a local police officer grossly abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically, of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing their powers, and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes — without having to stage a fake abuse video. [Ed.: Interesting choices of word in this paragraph. “One or two” being caught? We know these instructions were written before so many instances of abuse were recorded. Maybe the emphasis was on “being caught.”]

This method is extremely effective, and more so if the police officer can be made to look even more abusive, by the way the video is introduced, and by selective editing.

Sometimes it is useful to “lead” the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent — that you “do not care what the authorities think!”

Showing no fear may get those forum members who are more silent and self-disciplined to slip — and post their real intentions. From this, the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local law enforcement tracking. And his or her posting can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.


Gaining Full Control

It is important to continuously maneuver for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavorable postings — and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public.This is the “ultimate victory.”

Depending on the level of control you obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by

censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, or “accidentally” taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be killed.

However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a “honey pot” gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and, from this point, be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.


Conclusion

Remember: these techniques are only effective if the forum participants do not know about them

Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precedence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline.

This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them.

Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share them with HQ.
Full article:
http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/01/27/disinf ... net-forum/

Thanks to:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthr ... rnet-Forum
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errrr.not saying Christine is at it, but, it's also possible to reverse that whole psychological engine and be a forum proprietor trolling their own forum, for much the same longer term reasons.

Trolling is much like whoring. If it's packaged up right, it can be passed off as admirable and 'right'.

Another thought that popped into my head while reading that was about the innoculation section. It suddenly occurred to me that it can and likely IS being done right now with the flat world theory craze. It's just on a much bigger stage than a forum.

When you also include the new X-Files series into the mix, and how it's so very up to date and topical, including dialog about all the stuff we bang on about including the "End Game" scenario ( I saw a trailer for it ), It doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to see that the flat world theory can be also included on popular TV drams soon. Then, the innoculation factor will be massive.
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And around and around we go...I created a space to document this type of thing, here's where I reflected on the strangest of my experiences...you were there (and hermit was there, and PL, and Shane and eelco...We're in freaking in Oz!):

http://openuptoday.freeforums.net/threa ... tive-world" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seriously, I found it educations to go back to a previous loop, and try to see how we could have handled it differently. See how far we got on the old "psyops on forums" thread? It was like a textbook example of a couple of them...

I think we can be emotionally mature enough to not let any troll be effective, by making sure WE are not engaging in any form of the activity described, and face anyone who might be with respect and integrity.

That way instead of "protecting the forum" by scaring them off we may be able to get a better idea of their intent. Let's try to be different, kids...remember, ultimately it's just text on a page. Usually not even the whole page...

If you're worried about what other people type or how they use your words and energy and you provide...maybe you shouldn't post on Internet forums?
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ADDED:

The link I posted was personal, speaking directly to the OP, which looked to me to be a loop we’ve already played out before (on a private thread in a different forum).

The purpose of the general creation of mine (rather than the specific “thread” I linked to is better described here, in fact…I didn’t really want anyone seeing it at all that hasn’t gotten there without experiencing the context I laid out here:

http://suemebill.blogspot.com/2015/12/a ... nergy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And while that is especially personal to Christine specifically, the lessons and ideas directly apply to anyone here. Looking at the various roles being played by the various “sides” can be very educational…I am seen as a troll to many, some would call what dissenters in PA’s threads “trolling”.

The important thing to take away is there is a purpose for each specific piece of information being in your awareness, which is often more important than the content. Generalizations like in the OP are useful only up to a certain point, when you dismiss someone/something as a “trolling” or drama or personal issues or whatever just because you don’t like to look at it in your reality…you can lose valuable lessons and insights.

Consider: what purpose would a "government" or professional troll have coming here? If not to do with some of the information on my forum (that is mostly experiences we been through--some of us together--in recent "forum" history), how could we find out...if we promptly jump on and scare out anyone we identify as troll? I think a new and better approach needs to be taken, in identifying them...starting with the fact that even if they are ill-intended, giving them the respect to transmit what they came here to, trying to balance our skeptism and benefit-of-the-doubt so that we can better understand what their ill intention truly is.
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If a “troll” is “controlling” a forum, the problem can be stated in another way: the forum is a manifestation of an abusive relationship, where an “abuser” manipulates it, with the equally problematic component that is the enabling of the posters.

I use the Project so much because not only is it a personal experience most of shared, not only the best example I know of a deceptive manipulator controlling a forum that looks a lot like the hierarchical structure of the typically dysfunctional family full of secrets…but we’ve seen numerous examples of the dude (troll) in control create all of the problems detailed in the article, supported (enabled) by people who should have learned to know better by now.

That’s why I created the spaces I did, because the very discussion of these topics are charged with whatever energy we associate with “trolling”, and it’s difficult to get balanced discussion (as evidenced by the lengthy threads I highlighted we created at IW, countless ones I’ve started and now are locked at TOT, and even several I tried to get going on PA). I personally didn’t want to continue those types of loops…didn’t want to see them here, so took the empowered (even if not very successful)attempt to do something different.

I believe Christine (and EEers) has been doing a very good job of guiding the energy of place so that in a lot of ways it truly is different. So can we make it different here? Instead of spouting “facts” that most here should know and those that don’t would learn better through experience than rehashing generalities, can you explain why you felt compelled to start this thread?
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norman wrote:Another thought that popped into my head while reading that was about the innoculation section. It suddenly occurred to me that it can and likely IS being done right now with the flat world theory craze. It's just on a much bigger stage than a forum.

When you also include the new X-Files series into the mix, and how it's so very up to date and topical, including dialog about all the stuff we bang on about including the "End Game" scenario ( I saw a trailer for it ), It doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to see that the flat world theory can be also included on popular TV drams soon. Then, the innoculation factor will be massive.
I was thinking this is a good opportunity for me to start a thread based on what you just said.

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Phil wrote:…I am seen as a troll to many......
REALLY? I would never have guessed that. :roll:
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This is a great topic, people.
Don't let anyone underplay its
importance or scare you off.


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On "the planet" there are a couple terrible trolls, but I enjoyed them until I became one of their thorns (they are moderators)

In "the projects" theres the whole religious belief system to bugsplat against, coupled with third party trolls and then the whole corporate style committee of mods.

The planet seemed oddly disconnected from its Dear Leader considering it was a for profit platform and they got large numbers of leads from the forum (the gates & geoengineering article by Paul watson was a tipoff)

I like EE and should expect to be startled often without getting angry (not easy for me)

Nice thread
Brotherhood falls asunder at the touch of fire!
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
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I agree that personal experiences with specific individuals being analyzed for harmful behavior is a great topic, and constantly come to the forums to discuss it

I find generalized discussions starring straw men with "known intentions" counter intuitive. Lists of behaviors we should know obvious. The initial approach a loop well documented and discussed at length previously

What specifically have you experienced to feel compelled to start this topic again, here and now? The op is an authorative list of "dark side" techniques to disrupt internet conversations and information exchange...I don't think anyone here can deny or not relate to them...so what do you hope to add or contribute of practical value?
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