Re: Meditation with challenges
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:41 pm
Lol sometimes..
This time my life is already in berzerk mode So I actually started the practice to get some grip.
Yes It is the Samatha I am trying to accomplish Well up to the first Jhana for now anyway.
The Buddhist path is very clear in its instruction. It's when you read the different experiences and commentaries where doubt and confusion seems to set in. I have been listening to a 4 part podcast by Thannisaro Bhikku .
http://www.audiodharma.org/series/16/talk/1869/
Which talks about it somewhat.
The Jhana's are 4 and then up to eight specific mindstates brought about by concentration meditation. That is concentrating on one object settling the mind in a place of stillnes. These states have very specific properties and can therefor (I hope) act as guidelines.
As you know I did my vipassana retreat almost 2 years ago and found the dry insight path a bit to uncomfortable to maintain.
I hope getting to first Jhana or at least part way there I can use the properties of that mindstate to propel me further into insight territory.
The stages leading up to "enlightenment" Are well laid out and seemingly attainable. especially with a concentrated mind.
Or so I now choose/tend to belief.
With Love
Eelco
The loose instructions I am trying to follow for now are thus:
Sit comfortably (i let go of half lotus and the like in preference of a chair. I switch between the 2) Try to focus on one spot where the breath passes.
I used to check the rising and falling of my belly. now I focus more on the traditional anapanata spot. between the upper lip and the nostrils.
There see each breath pass as it goes in and out. I try not to follow the breath. So I become aware of the full breath body as it passes the anapanata spot.
For now I tend to find it easier to extend my meditation as opposed to Vipassana where my focus is on whatever presents itself as most predominant and try to discern the 3 characteristics.
Anyway from there each time when my mind wanders I gently guide it back to the annapana spot.
The aim and promis is that the mind stills. As I understand it this is not something that happens by itself but needs training.
Using the breathbody as an anchor. with it relax deeper and deeper and learn discern what help to become more peaceful and what hinders this process.
The next step woul be when concentration is well established gently find a place that feels pleasant. extend the pleasant feeling all over the body.
It is said that first Jhana will happen then.
4 factors define it according to the sutta's.
vitakka - thinking
vicara - more thinking, examining
piti - rapture, glee, zest
sukha - happiness
The abbidhamma defines a fifth factor of 1st Jhana.
ekaggata or one-pointedness.
I thing it's that final addition which makes 1st jhana so controversial as being hard to accomplish.
The pa auk sadayaw school makes the mastery of the jhanas probably harder to attain by expecting the one-pointedness and nimmita to be sustained for 3 hours.
The rapture and happiness fall away as one moves up through the jhanas making way for equanimity.
Well first let's get to the first shall I?
This time my life is already in berzerk mode So I actually started the practice to get some grip.
Yes It is the Samatha I am trying to accomplish Well up to the first Jhana for now anyway.
The Buddhist path is very clear in its instruction. It's when you read the different experiences and commentaries where doubt and confusion seems to set in. I have been listening to a 4 part podcast by Thannisaro Bhikku .
http://www.audiodharma.org/series/16/talk/1869/
Which talks about it somewhat.
The Jhana's are 4 and then up to eight specific mindstates brought about by concentration meditation. That is concentrating on one object settling the mind in a place of stillnes. These states have very specific properties and can therefor (I hope) act as guidelines.
As you know I did my vipassana retreat almost 2 years ago and found the dry insight path a bit to uncomfortable to maintain.
I hope getting to first Jhana or at least part way there I can use the properties of that mindstate to propel me further into insight territory.
The stages leading up to "enlightenment" Are well laid out and seemingly attainable. especially with a concentrated mind.
Or so I now choose/tend to belief.
With Love
Eelco
The loose instructions I am trying to follow for now are thus:
Sit comfortably (i let go of half lotus and the like in preference of a chair. I switch between the 2) Try to focus on one spot where the breath passes.
I used to check the rising and falling of my belly. now I focus more on the traditional anapanata spot. between the upper lip and the nostrils.
There see each breath pass as it goes in and out. I try not to follow the breath. So I become aware of the full breath body as it passes the anapanata spot.
For now I tend to find it easier to extend my meditation as opposed to Vipassana where my focus is on whatever presents itself as most predominant and try to discern the 3 characteristics.
Anyway from there each time when my mind wanders I gently guide it back to the annapana spot.
The aim and promis is that the mind stills. As I understand it this is not something that happens by itself but needs training.
Using the breathbody as an anchor. with it relax deeper and deeper and learn discern what help to become more peaceful and what hinders this process.
The next step woul be when concentration is well established gently find a place that feels pleasant. extend the pleasant feeling all over the body.
It is said that first Jhana will happen then.
4 factors define it according to the sutta's.
vitakka - thinking
vicara - more thinking, examining
piti - rapture, glee, zest
sukha - happiness
The abbidhamma defines a fifth factor of 1st Jhana.
ekaggata or one-pointedness.
I thing it's that final addition which makes 1st jhana so controversial as being hard to accomplish.
The pa auk sadayaw school makes the mastery of the jhanas probably harder to attain by expecting the one-pointedness and nimmita to be sustained for 3 hours.
The rapture and happiness fall away as one moves up through the jhanas making way for equanimity.
Well first let's get to the first shall I?