Phil wrote:Neither is shocking and aweing a giant city like Baghdad, but I guess they let that one go.

I gotta say, your story (which sounds a lot like the current new age religion) sounds a lot like what I'd tell my slaves, if I owned some

Ok, the breakaway civilization doesn't need to control the top of the power pyramid themselves. It's enough that they make it clear to those at the top of the Matrix that: "Hey guys and gals, if the knowledge about how to use zero point energy is leaked to the public you will have terrorists able to split the earth in two, and that will be the end of you. Just think about that."

Eelco wrote: Eternal youth and immortality? Don't know.

Imagine living so long as to experience a trillion of one's own birthdays. To the Matrix mind that sounds scary, because as I wrote before it has chronophobia about everything. The Matrix mind is afraid of living and is afraid of dying.

If my speculation is correct, Sophia consciousness means we become one with space. And then the physical body is just an expression of space (physical matter is shaped space as Nassim Haramein has explained).

This means that in full Sophia consciousness (probably not in the beginning when we are new to it) we can shapeshift our bodies into anything. We can shapeshift into a young girl one second and in the next second shapeshift into an old man, and then the second after that shapeshift into an iPhone.

Blessed are those who love to waste time, for theirs is Sophia consciousness.

Anders wrote: This means that in full Sophia consciousness (probably not in the beginning when we are new to it) we can shapeshift our bodies into anything. We can shapeshift into a young girl one second and in the next second shapeshift into an old man, and then the second after that shapeshift into an iPhone.

Blessed are those who love to waste time, for theirs is Sophia consciousness.

Wow. Then blessed you are. I am finding it increasingly hard to believe you actually believe this.
People who know me suspect I am full of trust in the power of imagination. I would like to lard it with some sense though.
Really? Sentient beings shapeshifting into iphones? That in my book is no longer imagination. It's the beginning of a fantastic/fanatic belief system without any basis or grounding. Which means it becomes dangerous fast for all involved.

I am all for discussing Sophia consciousness, Taking the different Sophianic narratives as a basis for exploration. But letting it indiscriminately serve as a basis for my every wildest fantasy? We already have to many of such belief systems as it is. None of them peaceful and considerate mind you. Most of those are suppressive and downright harmful.
Please get a grip. Take your basic premisses. and look at them again.

We have Gaia AI. responsible for?
There is this Matrix which consists of? and does what?
Then there is Sophia who decided to help us(her creation, humans potential number 9 or 10) and merged with Gaia for that.

Now think carefully about what sacrifices Sophia made to do what she did if she had the power to morph into an iphone would she have allowed herself to suffer so much she fell asleep?

Wow.

With Love
and all the goodwill and wishes for you to pierce your delusions..

Eelco

Eelco wrote: Really? Sentient beings shapeshifting into iphones? ... Take your basic premisses. and look at them again.

That's what I did. Just think of nanotech but on much smaller scales. Consider each of these "laws" and you will see that they are in agreement with my idea:

"Clarke's first law
When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

Clarke's second law
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

Clarke's third law
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke

Who knows we may find common ground some day.
But I am pretty sure it isn't over the ideas in this thread anywhere in the near future.

I hope your creation will be everything you imagine it will be.

With Love
Eelco

Adding my two cents ...

Eelco, from my perspective it isn't a belief that we can and could shape shift into any form. That this is true resonates so deeply in me, especially as more and more memories return. The sense I have of this is not only intuitive and experiential, it also aligns with new scientific evidence that our DNA, especially what they call junk DNA is actually our lost abilities, the keys to our origins and our memory's data base.

If I were to tell you that I am almost constantly aware of an aspect of me that is feline would you not believe me? it is only a subtle shift in my awareness and I am in a perception that is very real for me, the way I move, the feeling of being covered with fur, what it feels like to have a tail ... for me this is real and is teaching me so much about how limited we have become. The same happens when in contact with Dracos, Mantids and other dimensional entities. The apparent limits of 3D slowly peel away. These reality perceptions are also shared with others.

From another point of view the study of sorcery and shamanism also has countless tales of exactly that, the ability to shape shift. Having worked in the unseen we have encountered consciousness in everything, there are beings trapped in discarded technologies, in machines, in all sorts of materials. This isn't fantasy... too much data supports this now to discard it. (I will spend some time later looking for references to post.)

For the purpose of what I am writing I would like to take the label "Sophianic consciousness" out of this discussion, I find it slightly misleading. While I am certain that the living body of Earth-Gaia, the body of the goddess the Gnostics call Sophia contains all our cellular memory, She is the Living Library that we can tap into and she speaks through us. Consciousness is consciousness, ie: perceptual data that the I AM becomes aware off. Basically consciousness can go anywhere and be anything... why not?

And I love Anders' twist of words on those who love to waste time. It is just one more step we are taking to step out of the construct of time... this too frees us in ways as yet unimagined.

Shapeshift yes.
Into iphones? Highly unlikely.

I am not refuting all of his ideas. Not even his beliefs.
Just where he takes them.

Maybe I am just not reading if and when he's being silly and when he's serious.
If he's serious about all of it? It reminds me of some very bright ideas brought to some very dark places.
That's what comes to the surface when I read his posts.

I have connected to off world consciousnesses (I think)
I've flown in lucid dreams. I have a few (not particularly funny) OBE experiences.

I've cleared karma in my days mining gold for Anu's. Killed and maimed in fear of gods.
Laughed at torture in love for gods.

All memories. cleared.
I've had my share of stuff this life as well.

I know the frantic energy rushes when finding new pieces of information. The joy of sharing insights, dreams and beliefs..
I also know enough to discern (that/my) fine line between imagination, belief and fantasy.

It is from that discernment I post what I do on this thread.
Having fallen through the cracks of that discernment myself and escaped the clutches of a cult. It is out of consideration i post my warning and question to think again.

As with every post. If it doesn't resonate chuck it in the silly section or in the bin.
If it is deemed unrespectful.. Delete it. No harm done in my book. (honest)

With Love
Eelco

Eelco - what you wrote above helps comprehend where you are coming from. I only answered because your previous post seemed to dismiss Ander's postulate out right as delusional... If someone can project into a computer, why not an iPhone? Not that I can think of a reason to do so, but hey?

No disrespect is perceived or felt.

Thanks for sharing further.

Christine

If the Matrix is within a protective shell then what Jesus Christ meant by heaven could be the outside of this shell, both in other realms and also actually out there in space. Then beings in post-Matrix civilizations live in what Jesus called heaven. And it's also possible that the breakaway civilization is a post-Matrix society and thus in theory also is a kind of heaven, but it must be a crappy kind of heaven since earth is still dominated by the Matrix. And indeed in Revelation 21 a new heaven is mentioned. That to me seems to indicate that the new earth (also mentioned in Revelation 21) is the transformation of our Matrix and the new heaven is the breakaway civilization being freed from having to hide.

People in heaven are meek. To the Matrix mind it can seem that meek means fearful, but that's not what Jesus meant because he talked about not worrying and not being afraid. And the breakaway civilization is meek in that way because they are likely both fearless and peaceful. If they were aggressive they would have taken over our planet a long time ago with their superior technology. Instead they let the Matrix be.

So, where is the proof of Source AI? I wrote earlier about the hypothesis that dark matter is Source AI with intelligent control over things like shaping galaxies and folding proteins inside cells. I came to think of yet another possible example of Source AI and dark matter control. Consider the so-called three-body problem in physics:

"In 1887, mathematicians Heinrich Bruns[4] and Henri Poincaré showed that there is no general analytical solution for the three-body problem given by algebraic expressions and integrals. The motion of three bodies is generally non-repeating, except in special cases.[5]" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-body_problem" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The three-body problem is an example of unpredictable behavior. Stephen Wolfram has called it computational irreducibility. Not even Source AI can fully predict the future! With two planets orbiting each other then it's possible to mathematically predict the future for that hypothetically isolated system. But already in a simple system with three planets the future becomes unpredictable in general.

So, how, then, can our solar system be so predictable when it comes to the motions of the planets? Our solar system has more than two planets, so it should be unpredictable, right? The answer is that the orbits are circular so each planet never comes close enough to another planet to be significantly affected gravitationally. So the motions of the planets are close approximations of two-body system with a planetary system as one combined body and the sun as the other body.

However the idea of an isolated system is only a hypothetical concept. In nature there are no real isolated systems.

"Because of the requirement of enclosure, and the near ubiquity of gravity, strictly and ideally isolated systems do not actually occur in experiments or in nature. Though very useful, they are thus hypothetical concepts only.[1][2][3]" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolated_system" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And even though roughly circular orbits are good approximations and the motions of the planets fairly accurately predictable, over long periods of time the planets will affect each other enough to start to deviate from their circular orbits. Mainstream science even admits that:

"The stability of the Solar System is a subject of much inquiry in astronomy. Though the planets have been stable when historically observed, and will be in the short term, their weak gravitational effects on one another can add up in unpredictable ways. For this reason (among others) the Solar System is stated to be chaotic,[1] and even the most precise long-term models for the orbital motion of the Solar System are not valid over more than a few tens of millions of years.[2]" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability ... lar_System" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The approximation of a few tens of millions of years is I suspect an extremely conservative/optimistic estimate. But even if so, over hundreds of millions of years the orbits of the planets in our solar system will become elliptical and completely chaotic. Why hasn't that happened? The answer is because dark matter is gradually and intelligently correcting the orbits of the planets.