To speculate a bit, the powers that be use what they call order out of chaos as a central tactics. How does that work? Well, the Matrix mind is obsessed with seeing the world in opposites. And if we look at the three-body problem in my previous post, it may indicate that the ruling elite need to manipulate society in ways that follow the two-body rule, because when three or more items are introduced the system generally becomes what in mathematics is called chaotic, which means that future outcomes are generally impossible to predict and therefore lead to a lack of control for those in power. This in turn means that the controllers need to keep things in monopoly or duality, such as Democrats vs Republicans, left vs right, abundance vs scarcity, lawful vs illegal, democracy vs dictatorship and so on.

And we can use that duality hypothesis to detect manipulations in society. Take the duality of smartphones for example. What duality? The duality of iPhone vs Android which together totally dominate the smartphone market. And that dominance can from a conspiracy theory perspective have been deliberately planned.

"Google boss Eric Schmidt left the board of rival company Apple "for the right reasons" -- because Apple didn't mind a conflict between Chrome and Safari but "really did mind" the conflict between the iPhone and Android." -- http://www.cnet.com/news/i-resigned-fro ... c-schmidt/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Instead of it being a conflict between the Google boss and Apple, it was then (from the conspiracy perspective) in reality a cooperation between Google and Apple to totally dominate the smartphone software platform (OS) market. A similar scenario with Microsoft vs Apple when it comes to the dominating desktop OSs Windows and Mac (OS X).

Monopolies are of course even easier to control. If Google really had wanted to compete with Facebook, then they would have developed something much better than the halfhearted Google Plus. So there seems to be a monumental secret top-down control even in the corporate world.

The pharma industry has more than two corporations competing. There is however a duality even there. The duality is health care (governments, academia and the private sector) on one side and the pharma industry on the other side. The public has essentially zero influence on that process except watching ads and asking doctors to give them certain drugs. Unless you are an authority such as a politician or a member of a powerful NGO dealing with health care, mainstream scientist in medicine or a pharma industry boss, you just have to accept what those in power decide and take the drugs as they are or refuse them.

Being able to control things and events is good, but when done to such extent as in our society, it puts severe limits on our freedom of expression, choices and opportunities. It's important to also point out that this kind of limiting control probably has been needed for our civilization to be able to develop and to prevent it from deteriorating into chaos. One question is if we now have reached a moment in history where we can safely start to loosen up this rigid, hierarchical and top-down kind of control system.

I'm unsure if the control of money is a monopoly or a duality between the central bank and the government. In either case, it's a clear easy-to-control system. Those in power need simple systems like that. They can't efficiently handle more than two points of control! This leads to another possible conspiracy theory where there can be more than two mainstream media channels, yet the top control over all the mainstream media is likely a duality or a monopoly.

What we can do to break the duality spell is to instead of choosing this or that, to move into a third possibility. That will really make those in power start to shake in their boots.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8[/youtube]

Donald Trump has several horrible ideas such as a Berlin style wall and pro torture, but he also has a real chance of removing the crony capitalism and special interest deals. Bernie Sanders also has a chance of doing that but he is more of a traditional establishment politician. And Trump has mentioned things along the line of conspiracy theories like questioning 9/11, vaccines and the global human-made (PC term) global warming / climate change hoax.

I thought Barack Obama would be good at making changes, but he essentially has been the same as George W. Bush! So will Trump also be the same as Obama? Maybe. Still, I have a hope that Trump will be a part of a bigger plan to make huge changes that will affect the whole world.

One possibility is that Trump is a breakaway civilization candidate. The ideas of a wall and deporting illegal immigrants are then only a show basically to get enough voters. Trump says he will deport undocumented immigrants and let them come in to the country again legally. I think that's just a tricky way of promoting amnesty, that in practice the illegal immigrants will be made legal without having to be deported. And when Trump says temporarily stop Muslims from coming in to the U.S. until they have figured out what is going on, he knows that the terrorism threat is largely a hoaxed scenario staged by the Matrix powers, and he will expose it. That's my (very possibly naive) hope, because I feel it's time to sort out the Matrix mess on a global scale.

I'm curious about how old the breakaway civilization is. Is it older than the Matrix? Possibly, yes and that means thousands of years old. But how did it start?

I imagine that in the early human history there were brutish conflicts between primitive tribes. BUT, some people discovered a way of how to cooperate peacefully. Remember, even when people have cooperated in the past public history, it has more or less always included a lot of intrigues, betrayal and paranoia, even among people who were joined together in groups. And the way how larger public groups formed was basically always in the form of rigid, hierarchical and oppressive chain-of-command power-over structures.

The breakaway civilization on the other hand formed through peaceful cooperation, which meant freedom from inner conflicts and without power-over struggles. And in turn this meant that the breakaway civilization quickly became much more powerful and gained more knowledge than the public Matrix society that was filled with endless conflicts, distrust and suspicions. While the Matrix was burdened by huge inner friction and struggles, the breakaway civilization flourish efficiently and without friction under the radar of the Matrix.

Already from the beginning, the breakaway civilization needed to keep themselves hidden from the public to prevent the Matrix powers from trying to crush them through violence. And since the breakaway civilization was peaceful they had no interest in trying to fall to the same primitive level as the Matrix by attacking the public society. So they kept themselves hidden and have remained underground up to the present day. While we in the Matrix society have remained divided, conquered and hardly trust anybody, the breakaway civilization has from the beginning functioned as a coherent wholeness and formed a radically different society than we have in the public world.

If that scenario is correct, the breakaway civilization needs to be integrated peacefully with the Matrix or our whole world will remain totally schizophrenic. How that will play out remains to be seen. It's unlikely that the Matrix in general is ready yet to handle the truth so to speak without causing lots of disruptions in society. At the same time, the breakaway civilization has very advanced knowledge so they probably have some clever plan for achieving such integration.

Who wrote the Bible? Certainly the breakaway civilization wrote the Bible, because it contains far too socially advanced messages to have come from anybody in the Matrix society. The Bible is like a story for naughty little children, both as a moral guideline and as a source of deeper knowledge.

Imagine a bunch of violent baboons at a birthday party. The baboons immediately run towards the birthday cake and try to grab as big piece of it as possible for themselves, ripping both the birthday cake and themselves into pieces. How does one describe to the baboons that there is another possible way of dealing with such situation? Pretty difficult. Similarly, the breakaway civilization had to use allegories like those in the Bible to try to tell us in the Matrix society that there is another possible way of living than through constant wars, fear, psychological and physical violence and abuse, manipulations and hierarchical top-down chain of command baboon style power-over structures.

They don't tell us to our face, but it's fairly clear to me that to the breakaway civilization our social skills in the Matrix society are like that of violent baboons in comparison to their own society. Our Matrix society must look totally ridiculous and childish in a silly yet horrible way, to the point of us being socially retarded. And we have become so completely brainwashed by the Matrix that we believe that struggle for resources in a Darwinian competition is the only practical way to run society. Jesus Christ called us in the Matrix pagans:

"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well." -- Matthew 6:28-33

The Matrix powers need to keep people in scarcity and in a state of Darwinian struggle as a tool of control, like in this clip from A Bug's Life:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLbWnJGlyMU[/youtube]

Sophia consciousness includes an integration between the breakaway civilization and the Matrix society. We in the Matrix can become peaceful, and then make contact with the breakaway civilization. That's probably safe because people in the Matrix will either believe that's just imagination or even if they suspect real contact can be made, they will be unable to make such contact until they themselves become peaceful.

A potential problem is that the breakaway civilization has a true collective consciousness. How to contact that with our isolated Matrix minds? We must then I guess first clean up the mess in our private thoughts.

Eons of pain and suffering...."trauma for growth", so that one specific moment in time some of us rabble can connect with "good guys" that left us to live in anti-human, anti-life arrangement for all these centuries?

Seems to me only something like your "breakaway civilization" could have created the condition we find ourselves in the first place, making your musing sound to me like the Hegalean dialectic, "they" created (or allowed a problem) forcing a reaction to which they are the solution, our only salvation.

Phil wrote:Eons of pain and suffering...."trauma for growth", so that one specific moment in time some of us rabble can connect with "good guys" that left us to live in anti-human, anti-life arrangement for all these centuries?

Seems to me only something like your "breakaway civilization" could have created the condition we find ourselves in the first place, making your musing sound to me like the Hegalean dialectic, "they" created (or allowed a problem) forcing a reaction to which they are the solution, our only salvation.

I believe the breakaway civilization is outside of the Hegelian dialectic schemes. Instead what Tom Clearwater calls the quarantine veil sounds exactly what I have called the Matrix in this thread (even the idea of Earth in a quarantine is precisely what I also have described). From about 52 minutes into this video he talks about one of the final stages of the Hegelian dialectic world plan where two titanic sides clashed. This produced a scalar effect, he said. I'm not sure exactly what Tom means by that but he seems to know a lot about the kind of stuff I have been posting in this thread.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4biEF7czxo&t=52m10s[/youtube]

Tom says nothing about a breakaway civilization in the video (unless I missed that). Instead he said that it's we as individuals who will become more scalar and that is how to break out of the Matrix. Something like that. I will have to do more research about what he means by scalar in relation to consciousness.

The concept of scalar waves seems to be fringe science, such as: https://books.google.com/books?id=DSdeC ... &q&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In that book scalar waves are described as nonlocal. I believe that there definitely is some truth to that. Nonlocal means that something can affect something else regardless of distant and instantly. For example if I have a bank loan then if I feel that as a burden it may be an actual nonlocal scalar connection between my consciousness and the bank. And then that's how the Matrix is sucking energy from people! Nasty.

Probably mindfulness practice is useful for making the scalar waves in one's consciousness more harmonious and less burdensome. And treating the whole body as a scalar field seems to be a good approach. The Matrix trick is that it makes us take on scalar hooks from which energy is sucked. Mainstream skeptics may laugh at such idea, but if they check their own feelings then they will verify for themselves that there is at least a possibility of it being true.

Increasing the intensity of the personal scalar field through mindfulness practice and making is connected to the whole of the earth should make the mental and emotional burdens drop away. And then: say hello to my little friend: Sophia consciousness.

Phil wrote: Seems to me only something like your "breakaway civilization" could have created the condition we find ourselves in the first place, ...

In that case, only indirectly. For example it's possible that the JFK assassination was faked and staged by the breakaway civilization. A necessary manipulation to prevent the U.S. from collapsing due to corruption. The purpose of the hoaxed assassination was to scare the crap out of the corrupt power structure. Who wants to mess with a group of people capable of killing a U.S. President in broad daylight and get away with it?

A similar situation with the 9/11 attacks which was a complete hoax with no real planes involved and the WTC towers empty of people when they collapsed and the so-called jumpers plastic dummies thrown out of windows. The purpose of the 9/11 event is to further sort out corruption within the U.S. power structure by using the Patriot Act to clean up the mess behind the public scene.

It's also possible that Barack Obama was made President by the breakaway civilization. For example I watched on CNN how a big crowd of people was cheering when Obama made his second inauguration speech or something like that, and the crowd moved like a single unit in a precisely coordinated manner, something which ordinary people hardly can do even if they had practiced a lot beforehand. In any case, it was something other than an ordinary audience.

And as I mentioned before, Donald Trump is possibly also a breakaway civilization candidate, his background meticulously prepared for this role, including his success in the business world. Obama's role was to preserve the status quo and go along with the special interest mess such as Obamacare, which benefits insurance companies, not the people.

"Brill describes secret meetings, cynical emails and hidden contributions to political action funds. It was not the new way of doing business that Barack Obama had promised, he notes." -- http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoodman ... apitalism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And Donald Trump's role will be to replace Obamacare with universal healthcare among other changes.

So you think the civilization that we need to learn to grow up and "be like" brought us such productions as JFK, 911, and Donald Trump (for our own good, long planned out of necissity)?

I'm feeling like the title of a movie you might have seen Troy McClure (RIP Phil Hartman) in: "stop the planet of the Apes, I want to get off"