The Breakaway Conspiracy

[Chicodoodoo]

Good post, Steven. Nice to hear your opinion.

The talk of sociopaths here needs to go more toward the psychopaths so here is just a small definition...

I've looked at this distinction for quite some time and continue to do so. The way the labels historically evolved, from "morally insane" to "psychopath" to "sociopath" to "Antisocial Personality Disorder", tells me we are dealing with the same psychological condition. I prefer to use sociopath instead of psychopath because the public has been deliberately programmed to think "serial killer" when they hear the word psychopath, whereas sociopath does not yet have a misdirect associated with it.

According to Dr. L. Michael Tompkins, a psychologist at the Sacramento County Mental Health Treatment Center, the difference lies in having a conscience.

Here the problem is quantifying "conscience". It's almost like saying a psychopath has no empathy while a sociopath has very little empathy. We're really just talking about a matter of degree.

So when I say sociopath, Steven, you are perfectly justified to translate it to mean psychopath as you understand the word. Like I said, most people don't really know what a psychopath is. They think "serial killer". If you called Trump a psychopath, the man in the street would immediately object, but if you call Trump a sociopath, he might pause to listen.

But yeah, I appreciated your 2 cents!

[Chicodoodoo]

It's a mistake to believe that the universe makes mistakes.

Since I believe the universe does make mistakes, and I am a part of the universe, wouldn't that be the universe making a mistake?

I have observed that Nature here on Earth essentially tries anything that might work. For example, you can find all kinds of reproductive techniques -- sexual, asexual, cloning, etc. Some of the things Nature tries don't work so well, and species go extinct. Is that a mistake? Not if making mistakes is a necessary and integral part of the system.

The breakaway civilization has broken free from the sandbox. But they can't pull us out of it against our own free will. Besides, we need to grow out of the sandbox ourselves, not be dragged out of it by some extraterrestrial forces.

Your belief that no one died during the events of 9/11 may be as accurate as your belief that there is a sandbox and a breakaway civilization that escaped from it, and that humanity has the same need to escape the sandbox. Both beliefs are certainly possible, but is there sufficient evidence to convince us that they are probable?

Now, I find your beliefs intriguing, Anders. I have seen convincing evidence that suggests we have been lied to about structures on the Moon and on Mars. I can easily entertain the suggestion that we have been lied to about conditions on Venus as well, and that there might be a breakaway civilization there. Valiant Thor claimed to be from Venus, for example, but how reliable is that particular story? I don't really know, so I have to take a position of uncertainty regarding the Valiant Thor story. I don't really know how you came to your beliefs about the breakaway civilization either, so again I have to take a position of uncertainty. But I am certainly prepared to hear your evidence. I just hope your arguments will be more convincing than your reasons for believing no one died on 9/11.

And of course, you don't have to make any arguments at all if you prefer. There are plenty of people who don't care to justify their beliefs. I don't mind letting people believe whatever they want, as long as it doesn't harm others. I just enjoy learning, and I saw an opportunity to learn from you. I tend to question everything, so I'm not an easy pupil. However, I don't believe the universe made a mistake by making me question everything. Of course, I could be mistaken.

[Anders]

It's a mistake to believe that the universe makes mistakes.

Since I believe the universe does make mistakes, and I am a part of the universe, wouldn't that be the universe making a mistake?

I have observed that Nature here on Earth essentially tries anything that might work. For example, you can find all kinds of reproductive techniques -- sexual, asexual, cloning, etc. Some of the things Nature tries don't work so well, and species go extinct. Is that a mistake? Not if making mistakes is a necessary and integral part of the system.

That's because of our fallen world. We live in "sin", meaning missing the mark. Be perfect instead, Jesus said.

Even our biological evolution here on earth is a part of the "sandbox" experience. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is not a mistake, but eating from its fruit makes it possible to make mistakes. Eckhart Tolle described it brilliantly I think when he said that the garden of Eden represents our state of oneness before differentiation, meaning we hadn't developed individual selves yet. In order to develop into individuals we as humanity had to be "expelled" from the garden of Eden after having developed a sense of separation (eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, representing experience oneself as a separate individual having to struggle against (evil) other individuals).

The next evolutionary stage, Tolle said, is for humanity to go back to oneness, but not as in the undifferentiated state in the garden of Eden, but with our hard earned individuality intact. So we will move up in evolution, not back into the animal kingdom, he said.

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[Anders]

Your belief that no one died during the events of 9/11 may be as accurate as your belief that there is a sandbox and a breakaway civilization that escaped from it, and that humanity has the same need to escape the sandbox. Both beliefs are certainly possible, but is there sufficient evidence to convince us that they are probable?

It's difficult to find direct evidence. It's easier to look at it as a hypothesis, and then make predictions and check if those predictions have come true or will come true in the future.

Actually, I don't even want to find evidence of a conspiracy because many people will be unable to handle the truth (if the evidence was good enough to stand up in court). It's better to keep a low profile so to not stir up things too much too early.

My prediction is that the evil cabal will lose its power because of events like 9/11 and the JFK assassination. It's a bit difficult to check if that has come true, because we only get a whitewashed facade presented to us through mainstream media and from official channels.

Conspiracy researchers like Alex Jones claim that Donald Trump is a good guy. I believe that's correct, but how does that compute with the claim that the evil cabal and the New World Order are all powerful? It doesn't! Donald Trump didn't just happen to become President. It is a part of a thoroughly prepared plan. So the idea that Donald Trump came in from left field and taking the ruling elite by surprise doesn't fly.

[Anders]

The universe is an intelligent field. And when we learn how to access that field then people from the breakaway civilization can come to earth and we can start to interact with them.

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[Anders]

So, if our planet is in a quarantine, when will be able to break out of it? To answer that, it's useful to recognize that we need to mature out of it, not fight our way out of it.

Check out the lilies of the field - glean how nature sustains itself; grok the self-organizing principle of the universe. Compare that to our current civilization. We have to struggle like hell just to prevent the damn thing from falling apart! It's doubtful that it has holobility, meaning the ability to become a part of the galactic community of advanced civilizations. Why? Because we still have a warlike tendency as a species. And we have to learn how to sustain ourselves without inner conflict first. And when we join with our galactic buddies, then we need to have the social skill of being able to sustain social relationships without the need for fear of punishment if we are naughty, and without fear of others.

To break out of our quarantine, we need to remove our fear. In our current state, as a developing civilization, fear can be useful and is sometimes necessary. In a developed civilization on the other hand, fear is a big no no. Because fear indicates that we are prone to violence and harmful conflict. And we cannot pretend to be free from fear. Anger for example, is a sign of having lots of fear, even when we don't recognize our own fear when it's subconscious.

[Chicodoodoo]

That's because of our fallen world. We live in "sin", meaning missing the mark. Be perfect instead, Jesus said.

Anders, your reasoning is a real stumbling block for me. For example, if the universe doesn't make mistakes, as you claim, then there is no "fallen world", or "missing the mark", or any need to be perfect.

It's difficult to find direct evidence. It's easier to look at it as a hypothesis, and then make predictions and check if those predictions have come true or will come true in the future.

I understand the difficulties of finding physical evidence when things are deliberately hidden and covered-up. We often have to rely on circumstantial evidence to uncover the truth when dealing with masterful deception. Hypotheses have their usefulness too, but the pitfalls are more numerous and dangerous. Exceptional reasoning skills are required to rely on hypotheses.

Actually, I don't even want to find evidence of a conspiracy because many people will be unable to handle the truth (if the evidence was good enough to stand up in court). It's better to keep a low profile so to not stir up things too much too early.

That's a debilitating bias for someone searching for truth. I understand the need for diplomacy and compassion, but to state that you don't want to find evidence of conspiracy because people can't handle it is counter-productive. Please see my opinion at the bottom of all my posts.

Anders, I'm going to bow out of this discussion so that you can develop your hypotheses without distraction. I appreciate your patience and thank you for engaging with me in this thread. I wish you good luck in your investigations, and I hope to learn more from you at a later date.

[Anders]

Anders, your reasoning is a real stumbling block for me. For example, if the universe doesn't make mistakes, as you claim, then there is no "fallen world", or "missing the mark", or any need to be perfect.

People have claimed that there cannot be any good without evil. That duality is needed. And that's true. So we need to experience the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in order to experience that polarity and learn to overcome it.

So it's a deliberate cosmic trick. But a temporary one. Well, it takes several thousands of years to develop a new civilization but from a larger cosmic perspective that's only a short period of time.

And we need to have our individual free will and learn ourselves. Like how a child learns stuff when growing up. The adults can't do everything for the child. That would just prevent the child's own development.

So there are no mistakes when looking at it from a larger cosmic perspective. Of course, from our point of view, especially when we still live in an undeveloped state, there are lots of mistakes and lots of disasters, accidents, destruction, disease, death, despair, sorrow, evil, fear and all kinds of opposites to feeling good.

[Anders]

Donald Trump has fired Sir Scaralot, a.k.a. Scaramucci, who held the position of communications director and who sure did scare a lot of people. This act symbolizes removing fear from the White House and I predict that the new communications director will have a more friendly name.

More seriously though, my theory predicts that the preemption of evil acts desirable by the cabal will continue. This is done by staging hoaxed evil acts that later turn out to be an embarrassment and a failure, so that further such evildoing is preempted by making them impossible to pull off again with the support of politicians and the public.

For example, the formidable threat of al-Qaeda drizzled down to a whimper and lost most of its former terror power. The newer fear-mongering crowd is called ISIS, Isis, ISIL, Isil, IS or the more recent name Daesh. This poor kind of branding signifies the coming demise of this last frontier of Orwellian window dressing. The Trump administration will find it impossible to start a major war with the excuse of hunting down ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. That option has been preempted by the invasion of Afghanistan for the purpose of finding Osama Bin Laden.

[Anders]

My theory predicts that free energy technology using zero point energy (ZPE) will NOT be released to the public by any external government. Maybe not much of a prediction because imagine having laws saying that it's illegal to use ZPE devices to blow up the whole planet. That will only encourage a few crazy individuals to try to do just that, to split the earth in two as Nikola Tesla described.

Instead ZPE technology will only be available through the earth consciousness. Then instead of external laws, earth consciousness enables panarchy as described in an earlier post. And the earth consciousness will only allow safe uses of zero point energy. So in some sense our individual free will will be REDUCED by having full panarchy. That might at first seem like a limitation but we will be able to do much, much more with our earth consciousness than with our tiny and isolated ego minds with full individual free will.

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