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Strange Connection Between Naval Yard Shooting and Ft Lauderdale (mr Santiago) Shooter?

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This was a bit disconcerting as I was browsing our Sunday paper in Walla Walla:


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From the article "Details About Mass Shooting Suspect Emerge" Sunday January 8 2017.
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One of the dead was identified as Terry Andres, 62, of Norfolk Beach, Va., an employee of the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, according to shipyard spokeswoman Terri Davis.

Other victims have not yet been named.
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Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
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Re: Strange Connection Between Naval Yard Shooting and Ft Lauderdale (mr Santiago) Shooter?

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And from yesterday, a post about the strange resemblance between the events,
Naga_Fireball wrote:Just curious if anyone else sees a slight resemblance between mr santiago, the ex military fort Lauderdale airport shooter, and James Holmes, the Aurora batman theater shooter.

Also, sorry to say it, but it stinks very much like Manchurian Candidate.

Could he be recalling something strange that happened in the desert?

Another similarity between santiago and holmes, they tried turning themselves in and or tipping off the psychiatrist. Not actually what most lone actors would do.

Surely psychologists can answer someof these troubling questions in the near future.




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Ft. Lauderdale shooting suspect made confused visit to FBI, said US intelligence forced him to watch ISIS videos
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P.s. while in the shower i suddenly remembered the Naval Yard shooter, as i recall, he methodically disassembled his rifle to infiltrate security undetected then even managed to acquire a handgun as he passed the desk.

He scrawled/etched "this is my ELF (extremely low frequency) weapon" on the body of the rifle and beyond that and his race (wasn't he an African American? They are not typically the ones who go nuts over conspiracy theories so it made me really worry).

Although termed mentally unstable, didn't that guy also claim that some outside force directed him?

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Oh and that reminds me a bit of Jared Loughner too, although he had a marked history of being disturbed. Something doesn't quite add up, except that much like the fearsomely deadly Virginia Tech shooter (headshots by the score? ?????) they were highly effective.






It's fkn freaky .
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To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
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Re: Strange Connection Between Naval Yard Shooting and Ft Lauderdale (mr Santiago) Shooter?

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The other one was actually in DC,
The Washington Navy Yard shooting occurred on September 16, 2013, when a lone gunman - Aaron Alexis - fatally shot twelve people and injured three others in a mass shooting at the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) inside the Washington Navy Yard in Southeast Washington, D.C. The attack, which took place in the Navy Yard's Building 197, began around 8:20 a.m. EDT and ended when Alexis was killed by police around 9:20 a.m. EDT.
And from today's press release :
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One of the dead was identified as Terry Andres, 62, of Norfolk Beach, Va., an employee of the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, according to shipyard spokeswoman Terri Davis.

Other victims have not yet been named.
Brotherhood falls asunder at the touch of fire!
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper

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Re: Strange Connection Between Naval Yard Shooting and Ft Lauderdale (mr Santiago) Shooter?

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How did Fort Lauderdale suspect get gun back?
By Darran Simon, CNN

Updated 1:39 AM ET, Mon January 9, 2017

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(CNN)He was incoherent and agitated. Voices in his head told him to join ISIS, according to law enforcement sources.

Authorities were so concerned when Esteban Santiago visited the FBI Anchorage, Alaska, office in November that they confiscated his gun and ordered a mental health evaluation. A month later, Santiago retrieved the weapon from police headquarters.

Last week, Estaban, 26, used that same gun, law enforcement sources said, to kill five people and wound several others at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport. Santiago confessed to planning the assault, according to court papers.
As authorities work to pinpoint Santiago's motive, others are asking another question: Why did the suspected gunman still have his firearm?

Federal law
The federal Gun Control Act bars a person "who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution," from owning a firearm.
That means a court or a lawful judicial authority must have issued an order requiring an involuntary mental health commitment, according to CNN legal analyst Paul Callan, a former New York City homicide prosecutor.
"Unless there was some sort of a court order requiring involuntary commitment for mental health treatment, under existing gun control legislation, he could not be deprived of his constitutional right to possesses a weapon," Callan said.
Callan added, "People who submit to voluntary mental health treatment don't lose their right to possess firearms under current US law."
Callan said mental health authorities are required by law to warn potential targets of a possible violent attack if the patient reveals this during their treatment.
It's unknown how long Santiago spent in the medical facility for his mental evaluation and what it revealed.
The CNN Guns Project
Gun control laws pertaining to the mentally ill
Some states have adopted tougher restrictions than federal laws on gun ownership for people with mental health issues.
In Maryland, a person may not possess a regulated firearm if the person suffers from a mental disorder or "has a history of violent behavior" against other persons, according to the Washington, D.C.-based National Conference of State Legislatures.
"Some other states include voluntary commitment in their barriers to gun ownership," said CNN legal analyst Danny Cevallos, a personal injury and criminal defense attorney.
In the District of Columbia, police have to confirm that a registration applicant "has not been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to any mental hospital or institution" in the five years immediately preceding the application. The applicant must present medical documents showing they have recovered from the mental issue that led to the commitment, according the law.
Alaska, however, follows the federal law on mental health and gun ownership.

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Esteban Santiago
Santiago's brother, Bryan, told CNN in an interview he believed the shooting rampage stemmed from mental issues that surfaced after Santiago's 10-month tour in Iraq while serving in the Puerto Rico National Guard.
Santiago requested medical help from the military and federal agencies, his brother said. He received some treatment.
In Santiago's meeting with the FBI, he told them an intelligence agency was telling him to watch ISIS videos, law enforcement sources said. He said he didn't intend to harm anyone, the FBI said.
The FBI said it closed its assessment of Santiago after conducting database reviews, checking with other agencies and interviewing family members, according to a senior federal law enforcement official.
"There is a big difference between recognizing something is very off about a person and them being actually adjudicated with a mental defect or involuntarily committed," said Cevallos.

Here is a look at the evolution of gun laws in America.


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Holy shit they are running with scissors lol

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Constitution starting to feel a bit of pressure
Brotherhood falls asunder at the touch of fire!
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper

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