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Re: Future Predictions - When Saturn Conjuncts Pluto in 2020

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:08 pm
by Eelco
Do you expect thing to last into next year?
I have been dabbling the surface of astrology on and off over the years, but only recently started to deep dive into it. I am mainly focusing on the roots of Hellenistic astrology at the moment. That said I do expect the coming mars in Aries period to stir the pot even further, but was kinda hoping things would settle down a bit with the Jupiter Saturn conjunction At 0 degrees Aquarius on the winter Solstice. Mars will leave Aries shortly after that.

With Love

Re: Future Predictions - When Saturn Conjuncts Pluto in 2020

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:13 pm
by Spiritwind
Eelco wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:08 pm
Do you expect thing to last into next year?
I have been dabbling the surface of astrology on and off over the years, but only recently started to deep dive into it. I am mainly focusing on the roots of Hellenistic astrology at the moment. That said I do expect the coming mars in Aries period to stir the pot even further, but was kinda hoping things would settle down a bit with the Jupiter Saturn conjunction At 0 degrees Aquarius on the winter Solstice. Mars will leave Aries shortly after that.

With Love
Hi Eelco!

Don’t have much time to properly answer your question this morning, but wanted to acknowledge your post. A couple things come to mind. One, is that the American Revolution that started in 1775 (245 years ago) lasted for 8 years (until 1783).

We know those who like to influence things to go their way have their own agenda. But that doesn’t mean all is written in stone (at least, I don’t believe it is). What I’ve noticed with Jupiter, which is often called the Great Benefic, is that it has an expanding effect, and can also add speed to whatever is happening. So, while it is generally considered a positive, it can make things happen fast, both good and bad, and can have the effect of a tendency to overdo (over eat, over spend, over react etc.). And Saturn is all about time and structures. With both Saturn and Jupiter conjuncting in Aquarius, it definitely signals change. Just not sure which way it’s all going to go. Of course, Aquarius would indicate possible advances in technologies and communication.

I would say these times are definitely revolutionary. How humanity at large responds is anybody’s guess. I’m not greatly encouraged by what I’ve seen so far, but I’m more just trying to observe, and pay attention to my own head space and energy responses. That’s all I’m really responsible for, and have to remind myself of that daily.

I have not done a lot of study on the origins of the many systems of astrological understanding, so you probably know more than I do about that. Even though I’ve been a student of the subject for 25 years, there is still so much I don’t know. Fascinating though. About all the time I have for now.

Oh, yeah, and I agree with you about Mars in Aries stirring the pot. It’s definitely a potential combative influence for some. It’s great to see you pop in!

Re: Future Predictions - When Saturn Conjuncts Pluto in 2020

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:20 pm
by Spiritwind
The death of an ideal.

I don’t have much time at present, but read a very thought provoking article by Bernhard Guenther (actually I’m not quite done yet). Astrologically, though, I felt what his wife, Laura Matsue, wrote about this time we’re in here in America captures much of what I also feel myself, so sharing it here. The whole article he wrote, if you can open your mind to at least consider, well worth the time to read. I want truth, more than comfortable lies, and also want to look deeper into myself, to see where my judgements, preconceived ideas, and triggers can still be found. And, yes, I still have them!

https://veilofreality.com/2020/06/20/qa ... real-deal/?

“The Pluto return of the US in Capricorn is transiting thought the 2nd house of the US natal chart and will likely demand a complete restructuring of Government (Capricorn) and the values (2nd house) that America was founded upon. This will also mean a restructuring of the financial sector as well. The way we will get there will be a typically Plutonian way: through destruction, transformation, and facing corruption and shadows. While there will be turbulent times economically, there is also the potential for great growth. We may see a Phoenix-like comeback for America as a player on the world stage. If we learn our Pluto lessons, we will surely come out this stage much more “anti-fragile” in the area it impacts. Meaning, the states as an economic power may be a force to be reckoned with after this period is over.

For many of us living in America, we may have some deep money work to do. We will have to face our 2nd house issues, face our debts, and face our relationship to money entirely. If we have been a slave to money and exhausting ourselves just to get by, we may have to reevaluate the way we live our lives. It could also swing the opposite side of the pendulum, where people become completely “anti-materialistic” in an attempt to “abolish capitalism” and drive us into a socialist future.

Since Pluto is a painfully slow-moving planet, this is a long game that we will see play out over the next decade or so. This Pluto transit, on a psycho-spiritual level, is demanding that we call on our deep well of inner resources in order to become self-sufficient in how we make a living. Many of us, out of pure necessity right now, may use this Plutonian opportunity of rebirth to become truly “self-made” in the area of finances. Though it may be hard work at first, now is the time to become financially independent. We are being asked to identify: what is it truly value in life? Leading our lives from those inner values is a big Taurus lesson (ruler of the 2nd house.)

America itself has swayed far from the values it was founded upon. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Family, freedom, and being able free to practice spirituality without fear of persecution. What we may see is a resurrection of these traditional values in the United States was founded upon. As America strengthens its power by breaking down what is not working, we will see a new America about to reborn, a modernized version of traditional America that all but the true patriots of America have long forgotten.”

– Laura Matsue

Re: Future Predictions - When Saturn Conjuncts Pluto in 2020

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:26 pm
by Spiritwind
I am posting a couple of articles for those who are interested in what’s ahead for us astrologically. Of course, everyone will have their own astrological aspects that are much more personal, and not everyone here is going to be having the same experience. I read several articles I am not going to share here because, as someone who studies this for myself, I do not agree with them that the outlook is rosy. It may be good for some, very challenging for others, and overall, the trends that started in 2020 will continue to play out. In other words, it’s not all just going to go away and return back to our previous normal. The first one is by well known astrologer, Rick Levine.


How Uranus in 2020 Foreshadows the Biggest Astrological Event of 2021…
A Conversation with “the Merlin Astrologer” Rick Levine



What do we do when Uranus strikes?
Why, surrender to an opportunity for rapid transformation, of course! The astrological event that kicked off in April 2020 is the beginning of the most significant astrological event of 2021.
Discover how Uranus will impact all of our lives with Rick Levine, “the Merlin Astrologer.”
Amanda: Rick, I know April 25th and 26th, 2020 was a big weekend that informs 2021. Can we give our audience some insight?
Rick: Yes, it’s a Uranian surprise because that’s what Uranus is all about!
It was a big weekend. We were just coming off the New Moon conjunct Uranus, meaning the Moon itself was only a few degrees away.
The New Moon was at three degrees of Taurus, which meant the Sun and Moon were at three degrees of Taurus, and Uranus is about six and a half degrees of Taurus.
Since the Moon travels one degree every two hours, that means that six hours after the New Moon, the Moon was already lining up with Taurus.
The key to understanding why this was such a big weekend is that the Moon moved from its square to Saturn, to the New Moon, to the conjunction to Uranus in a few hours… Which brings into focus the main event of 2021… Saturn squaring Uranus.
I said that the biggest event in 2019 would be the Saturn Pluto conjunction on January 12th of 2020.
Well, the big event of 2021 is going to be Saturn. The planet of boundaries and restraints, squaring Uranus, the planet of “What boundaries, what restraints?”
We’re getting some of this right now because this New Moon conjuncting Uranus is exploding those boundaries and constraints.
The Moon was already in Gemini. Venus was previously in Gemini. They were ahead of the Sun, but the Sun started moving toward Uranus and then caught up with Uranus.
The Sun Uranus conjunction was at 5:00 AM Eastern time. The Sun lines up with Uranus once every year and we feel it for a day or two or three.
But this year is different for a lot of reasons. And that’s why it’s such a big question for us…
That 2021 conjunction — when does that happen?
Well, when Saturn moved into Aquarius last month it already came into range with Uranus at five degrees of Taurus. Aquarius: fixed sign, Taurus: fixed sign. And so we’re about five degrees away from it being exact.
It’s buzzing, but Saturn doesn’t get more than four degrees away from the exactness and then it turns retrograde and goes back into Capricorn. So it pushes exactly the actual conjunction. This happens three times next year. The dates don’t matter yet.
What matters is that in 2021, basically January through November, that’s going to be the repetitive factor throughout the year.
April 25/26, 2020 and this New Moon is a bit of cosmic foreshadowing, if you will.
If this was a play written by Shakespeare, it would be act one and we would be getting hints what was going to be happening in act three.
Amanda: So things that are happening in the world and in our personal lives are foreshadowing a bigger, longer story that’s playing out. What kind of energy are we looking at?
Rick: Well, let’s start with the planet Uranus. Uranus is my favorite planet. It’s the planet of lightning. Uranus is electrical. And electric circuits are either on or off — it’s all or nothing.
Uranus is the quantum planet, and my consistent work over the decades has been what I call Quantum Astrology, which has to do with the microcosm and the macrocosm being connected.
On the microcosm, we know quantum physics. I believe that those same things occurring at the microcosm occur on the macrocosm.
On my Instagram account, I posted a story that was a picture of lightning and it says, “You can predict lightning, but you can’t predict the moment it’s gonna occur and you can’t predict where it’s going to occur.”
You hear this line when astrologers talk about Uranus. Something unexpected is going to happen.
This is the paradox of quantum physics and it’s the paradox of Uranus because Uranus only has one job.
Every planet has a mission statement and a job from the creator. It’s to instantaneously resolve things that can’t be resolved.
But here’s how lightning works. You have a warm wet air mass and air particles have electrical charge.
When you have moist air that is moving, that air generates what’s called a negative charge.
Warm and wet makes negative ionization like the seashore, the waterfall, the shower, the murmuring brook, the negative ions that feel good.
And along comes this cold front or this dry air. These two fronts come together and say “Okay, let’s talk about it. Let’s work it out.”
But the more the two fronts try to work it out, the more they rub up against each other, and the greater the charge becomes.
There are issues like that in our lives that may be the reason why we finally quit a job or tell our parents that we can’t be there or end a relationship, or whatever it may be. It often feels sudden — lightning strikes out of the blue.
I didn’t even know that something was wrong, then all of a sudden my whole life changes because something strikes.
So here we have the planet Uranus which is releasing tension. Compression is a conjunction astrologically. It’s when two planets come together. When two planets are in opposition, they’re pulled apart like a tug of war. That’s tension. Tension creates a pull in two directions and it eventually reaches a breaking point or a point of resolution.
There’s no way to resolve irresolvable tensions, but Uranus comes in and says, “I don’t give a crap.” Bam. The lightning strikes. And if the forest has to burn down, if Yellowstone park is burned to the ground as a result of the lightning strike, Uranus doesn’t care.
Uranus says, “I don’t have to worry about what happens afterwards. All I need to do is to resolve the tension in the moment.” Bam. Lightning strikes.
You can expect the unexpected.
If we’re living our life to our fullest capability and expressing everything inside, on the outside. If there’s no tension, if we’re living the life of a Yogi, of a highly realized person, of a person who has every facet of their life just running like clockwork — well then there’s no tension to resolve.
I want to meet this person, by the way. No, actually I want to be that person!
I remember in my life going back to the mid-eighties. I was living in Los Angeles. I was working in downtown LA. I’ll save you all the gory details… But I had a happy marriage, a daughter, a job, two cars. I mean, I was living the life.
However, I was not doing any astrology. I was not writing any poetry. I was not playing any music. I became detached from myself to hang on to some illusion.
I was one of the Venice beach roller skaters. I skated five days a week. I never wore any kind of knee protection. I didn’t have to, I never fell…
Well, one day I fell. And it basically tumbled me into a prolonged near-death experience where I had tetany. I had blood poisoning and several operations on my hand where there was a puncture wound and it totally, completely stopped my old life. At that moment, that was the worst thing that ever happened to me.
I never thought I would recover my life back. However, as I look back at it, it was during that time I was forced to not do anything. And so out of the garage came some astrology boxes, which I’d tucked away because it didn’t fit into my existence at that moment.
Out came my music and my poetry and it was the shock of Uranus saying, “You know what, Levine, you screwed up. You’re not in control. I’m taking over.”
That’s how Uranus works. It feels like an act of fate. It feels like something happened to us.
And what do we do with that in our life? What are we going to do?
There’s basically two ways you can react when the lightning strikes, when the light bulb goes off and we get new information, or see something we didn’t see.
We go further into denial or we give our old shit up.
Uranus is the great awakener. Rather than getting angry, resentful, closing down, stealing up, and trying to build a bigger wall — Uranus will only make bigger lightning.
Uranus (all the outer planets) does not take no for an answer. Why? Because physically it’s like cosmic radiation going right through earth. Our lives don’t matter. Uranus, his only job is to set the stage and to even things out.
Resistance is futile. This is our mantra during this time.
So April 2020 is really just the opening to a much deeper, larger, and wider issue.
How do you awaken another notch?
Amanda: Unbelievable. So Uranus, the great awakener, takes seemingly opposing and irreconcilable forces and blows it up so that we can see things differently.
The energy for April 2020 foreshadows the year of 2021 and gives us lots of amazing things to think about… This Uranian energy opens your eyes and breathes.
Deep breath, everybody. Eyes open and breathe. We got this.

Re: Future Predictions - When Saturn Conjuncts Pluto in 2020

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:28 pm
by Spiritwind
Astrological Outlook for the Year Ahead

https://wemoon.ws/blogs/journey-into-as ... year-ahead

The astrology for 2021 looks like a bumpy road. Here is an Astrological Overview for 2021
The year 2020 has been a rocky road for the whole year. What can we expect for 2021? Heather Roan Robbins has written the astrological prediction for our upcoming edition of We'Moon, where we have the entire article. Here is an excerpted sneak peek:

Jupiter and Saturn conjunct in Aquarius
How do we define community, our people, our circle? What philosophy and vision guide us? At the end of 2020 and through early 2021, Jupiter and Saturn, the two arbiters of social consciousness, conjunct in the communal fixed air-sign Aquarius. Like the Sun and Moon on the New Moon, when two planets conjunct they begin a new chapter; this one instigates a 30-year revolution in our Aquarian concept of community and social responsibility.

...Aquarius can bring stubbornness. Under this influence, fanatical people can run full steam ahead and start conflicts around political mind sets, their own world-views, or religious theory....

Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto in Aquarius
Jupiter and Saturn, and soon Pluto in Aquarius, call us to truly think globally and act locally. But this is just a taste—preparation for the big social and political work we’ll need to do when Pluto enters Aquarius in a few years, from 2023–2044. The last such relationship occured was from 1777–1798, when the USA labored to form a country that embodied its Constitutional vision statement...

Mars Conjunct Uranus, Square Jupiter. Mercury Retrograde. Venus conjuncts Pluto, Saturn, and Jupiter.
The New Year kick-starts metamorphosis as motivating Mars forms an exciting, uncooperative conjunction with change-maker Uranus— squaring Jupiter, January 20–23, just as America inaugurates a president. We’ll either be working with a new government or building up resistance to old ways. Mercury retrogrades 1/30– 2/20 and lets us catch up, reorganize and repair. Our community and our beloveds will need pragmatic loving compassionate action as Venus conjuncts Pluto, Saturn, and Jupiter through mid-February.

Mercury enters Aquarius 
February ends as Mercury enters Aquarius and gives voice to the Jupiter-Saturn debate. We can sketch out the grand landscape but may become too far-sighted. We have to carefully look for the needs of our beloveds.

Venus Conjunct Neptune
Because we’ve been so busy with politics and community, it’s important that we put relationships and creativity back on the front burner in March as Venus conjuncts Neptune and calls us back to our heart and our muse.
Venus conjuncts Uranus. 

Venus Squares Saturn and Pluto Retrogrades
In April we can feel the enthusiasm build towards new possibilities. Spring fever can call us into new relationships and revolutionary adventures as Venus conjuncts Uranus. Discontent can be productive as fire simmers under the kettle. Towards the end of April, watch for a political crackdown or relationship issues around control wherever people feel insecure, as Venus squares Saturn and Pluto retrogrades. Build real security instead.

Jupiter hops in and out of Pisces and Aquarius. Jupiter and Saturn Square Uranus
Jupiter enters Pisces on May 13, retrogrades June 20 and reenters Aquarius July 28–December 28. Jupiter and Saturn both intermittently square change-maker Uranus throughout the year, keeping politics and tectonic plates restless; we may be unable to settle, but that helps us continue an evolution. Transformation is inevitable, but which way that change goes will be up to us.

Lunar Eclipse in Sagittarius 
A lunar eclipse in Sagittarius on May 26, and a solar eclipse in Gemini on June 10, emphasize the need to celebrate true diversity— the real gift of myriad different voices and perspectives. Let’s celebrate by finding someone way outside of our comfort zone and respectfully share stories.

Retrograde Season: Pluto, Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, and Mercury
Every summer brings retrogrades; this one brings quite a lineup: Pluto turns retrograde April 27, Saturn on May 23, Jupiter June 20, Neptune June 25, and Uranus on August 19. Mercury retrogrades January 30–February 20, May 29–June 22, and September 26–October 18. These retrogrades ask us not to push forward but to hold our ground, renew, garden, and review the events of the year. Take time to investigate, fix mistakes, clarify problems, and fine-tune future plans.

Venus and Mars in Leo
From June 26–July 22 Venus and Mars are both in extroverted Leo; they stay active throughout the summer and inspire personal and political drama/melodrama. Life is performance art. Summer romances have a certain unrealistic flare; arts festivals can flourish, and the arts change our cultural understanding. Politics will be either heart-centered or ego-grandstanding.

Mars Trine Pluto and Saturn
We get a fresh sense from September 6 on that we have work to do, and it’s time to get back to it as Mars trines Pluto and Saturn. Don’t get discouraged if old problems need our attention—ones we thought we’d already conquered—as October dawns with six planets and a few asteroids retrograde.

Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto station direct. Mars in Libra Trines Jupiter, Squares Pluto
Between October 6–18 Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto create tumult as they all station to turn direct. Then the channels clear and give us a green light forward. Mars in social-justice-loving Libra then trines Jupiter, squares Pluto, and nudges us to clear up misunderstandings and heal a rift.

Mars in Scorpio Opposes Uranus. Mars Enters Sagittarius. Venus Conjunct Pluto
If conflicts are not resolved now, they may come to a boil after Mars enters Scorpio and opposes energizing Uranus through November. If we’re not in a fight, this aspect powers our efforts. Mars enters Sagittarius on December 13 as Venus conjuncts Pluto; together they encourage us to finish the year with a flare of competence, forgiveness, and travel in mind, body, or spirit. Come back to that deep Aquarian understanding that we are unique selves intricately connected to all our relations.

Re: Future Predictions - When Saturn Conjuncts Pluto in 2020

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:52 pm
by Spiritwind
I don’t have time to expand much at the moment, but feel it important to bring this to the forefront of our attention, as we inch ever closer to the inauguration on the 20th. I am not savvy enough to even venture, with any certitude, what will happen these next few days, but I am guessing it just might be epic.

On the 20th Mars and Uranus will be conjunct, with moon joining them the following day, in Taurus (money, security, etc.) and will be squaring Jupiter (expand) and Saturn (constrict) in Aquarius. Moon tends to trigger things. Mars and Uranus together is potent enough, but when you put it all together, possibilities abound. A real possibility for things to try and get out of hand are definitely present. I can already feel the spin coming, as both sides try to steer things a certain way. A great deal of restraint is in order, but with what I feel intuitively added in there, some of the players are feeling very unstable and ready to blow.

It’s like nothing I’ve seen in my lifetime, that much is sure. It all makes for a great study of just how astrology works. In my own personal life, instead of buying into fear, and strange panic driven behaviors, I’m using the energy to invest in all the projects I want to build this year. We have the physical, tangible materials (Taurus), to create anew a whole bunch of things I want to see in my reality on the home front that would be a benefit to life in any time (Aquarius/Uranus both being in the mix), while all the while knowing that the outer world may go through a turbulent time, until the dust starts to settle from the push/pull energy of Jupiter and Saturn (includes structures, and in Aquarius suggests something new) playing tug of war with our psyches.

I know the best way to handle these energies for myself is to work, literally, physically, on what I can do, and not focus on what I have no control over. Yet, stay mindful of current events. Which, by now ya’all should have figured out means going outside the mainstream media, and look at other sources ( - and that part is actually getting downright tricky due to all the extremely heavy handed censorship taking place - you would think people would be asking, is this really necessary, instead of labeling and dismissing everything that doesn’t fit your preconceived ideas with all kinds of derogatory terms and justifications - well, “we had to” just doesn’t cut it!)

Re: Future Predictions - When Saturn Conjuncts Pluto in 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:23 pm
by Spiritwind
Some astrological ponderings from this morning I thought I’d share. We are definitely at the beginning of something that will last for some long time.

We are in the middle of a Pluto (248) return of when we fought the revolutionary war in the US (spring of 1775 to fall of 1783) - we are at 246 years right now, and with how slow moving it is and it’s many retrograde, can certainly already be felt.

As well as approaching the civil war (spring of 1861 - 1865) return of Uranus (84) and Neptune (165) - 160 years, so one revolution of Neptune, and two of Uranus

In July 2025
Saturn and Neptune conjunct at the beginning of Aries
Uranus goes into Gemini trining Pluto at beginning of Aquarius

As I feel into the above information, I find it striking that not only are we approaching a Pluto return of the Revolutionary war here, but also the Uranus and Neptune return of the civil war here. It feels like a synching up in a rather rare way. Saturn and Neptune together in Aries isn’t great, due to the energies involved (potential deception, illusion, structures, etc. in the potentially combative sign of Aries). On the other hand, Uranus in Gemini (potential for revolutionary change expressing itself in the curious researcher energy of Gemini) trining Pluto in Aquarius (potentially explosive Pluto that builds up hidden energy in the humanitarian, electric, and also revolutionary sign of Aquarius), energetically feels almost the opposite. It’s like being herded into some kind of grand finale, the likes of which hasn’t been seen before (or at least in a very long time).