Narcissism and The Boundless Soul

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Narcissism and The Boundless Soul

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Narcissus (1590s) by Caravaggio (Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica, Rome)

A question once posed and held long enough and when it emerges with a sincere desire to know will bring answers. A reemerging question for me is; Are all humans plagued with degrees of narcissism? And if not narcissistic are most caught in a self absorbed reflection of self? Oh, the subtleties!

Allowing myself a moment to reflect back and disclose an inner piece of me. Several years ago while fleeing and disengaging from a person who had all the traits of a narcissist took me into one of the more frightening memories I’ve had to endure and stay with long enough to glean the needed wisdom and take one more step toward freedom.

As I was reeling around inside with hurt and feelings of total betrayal I arrived at a me that was so empty, so vacant, so taken over that she projected an arrogant disregard for life… her finger pointing out to the dark entities who and what to destroy next. To say it felt horrible doesn’t do justice to the realization that my soul was once so captured that it could not exercise its free will. This me was sitting in a high throne of stone, haughty and cold in her emptiness. The onslaught of shame along with the desire for redemption left me feeling so puny and insignificant… thanks to some dear women friends I was able to stay with these feelings and allow them to show me how I ever got to this place in the beginning. What occurred was I could see the multiple lifetimes I had prior to arriving at this despicable me, lifetimes of enduring torture, both in this reality and others. In that manner I found a true forgiveness for myself along with a deeper compassion for those who are similarly implanted and vacant.

What happen after this was I returned to myself in this present life with the astounding and freeing realization of just how self absorbed I was, how fear and doubts are used to compress the soul into base (ego) survival instincts, a place where there is no room for others. Finally came relief and a burst of laughter to let me know that I had absolved this part of me and taken another step toward my boundless soul.

Much has been written about the relationship of the empath and the narcissist but this isn’t what I want to address here, it is more a prodding to those who have these traits to dive deeper into their own darkness, to find the courage to embrace and love even their worst characteristics.

Once the truth is seen it can’t be unseen and in that is our liberation. Until we meet our own darkness it plays in the background finding ways to impose itself, some mannerisms so subtle that they can barely be seen and others so outrageous that it is a surprise they aren’t seen.

Love unbound, fierce and free.
Christine

Degrees in measure, for those who might make offense of what I am posting let me be clear that I am not naming anyone simply sharing my own despicable me story, perhaps a guide to those caught in any of these characteristics, there is always a way through.

“Life is a stage, and when the curtain falls upon an act, it is finished and forgotten. The emptiness of such a life is beyond imagination.”
– Alexander Lowen describing the existence of a narcissist
.

Four dimensions of narcissism as a personality variable have been delineated as leadership/authority, superiority/arrogance, self-absorption/self-admiration and exploitativeness/entitlement.

Narcissists typically display most and sometimes all of the following traits:
  • • An obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges
    • Problems in sustaining satisfying relationships
    • A lack of psychological awareness.
    • Difficulty with empathy.
    • Problems distinguishing the self from others.
    • Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults.
    • Vulnerability to shame rather than guilt.
    • Haughty body language.
    • Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply).
    • Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse).
    • Using other people without considering the cost of doing so.
    • Pretending to be more important than they actually are.
    • Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements.
    • Claiming to be an "expert" at many things.
    • Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people
    • Denial of remorse and gratitude.
Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:
  • Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
    Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to "dump" shame onto others.
    Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may "reinflate" their sense of self-importance by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
    Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person or their achievements.
    Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
    Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other person is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
    Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.
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It says on Wikipedia that most people have some narcissistic traits and 1% a narcissistic disorder. I also found something called healthy narcissism:

"Healthy narcissism is the characteristic of possessing realistic self-esteem without being cut off from a shared emotional life, as the unhealthy narcissist tends to be.[1]:37" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_narcissism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However that's from a mainstream perspective. I find it more correct what some spiritual teachers such as Eckhart Tolle, Vernon Howard and Anthony De Mello have said that our society is mad, insane and crazy to name just a few of the less glorious descriptions.

"We're crazy, We're living on crazy ideas about love, about relationships, about happiness, about joy, about everything." -- Anthony De Mello

"The world is full of interesting ideas, but none of these have saved the world from its madness. ... If there’s still anybody left who doubts the dysfunction of the human mind, I suggest two things: You can either read a book on 20th century history, or you can watch TV tonight." -- Eckhart Tolle

"You fear to admit that you are an insane person living in an insane world. You fear to admit this because you also fear that there is no solution. There is." -- Vernon Howard

I think the madness in the world is a natural development. And suffering is a way of nature telling us that we need to change direction. Humanity will wake up from all this mess into a new evolutionary level of being. Bruce Lipton even said that we are not humans yet. We become humans when we start to form humanity as a coherent whole.

This means that our nasty current situation including our whole human history is something valuable and even sometimes beautiful. We are still a very young species and it takes a lot of struggle to build a new, unique and developed civilization. Narcissism and other forms of psychological dysfunction will disappear as humanity matures.
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After composing the OP of this thread I revisited the theme and found that the traits listed are a good self-check list for there is a fine line between healthy self-esteem or self love and dysfunctional narcissism.

Going deeper into the well of Being by breaking the surface reflection is key. When we disturb our preferred reflection of self we will most likely find traits, hidden psychosis, inflicted poor adaptations, etc., so the water is murky at first. It is only by finding the peace within that the waters settle and we can see more clearly. This is known when we surface and the world around us takes on a more luminous light. This process seems to be a continuous one as long as we are walking in two worlds; the fullness of our magical potential and the "contracted state" of affairs that impose a tyrannical rule.

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The day I gave affirmation and acceptance to "my bitch" for all the years she protected my frigility and vulernabilty, is the day I learned to love her. To this day I appreciatie her value in keeping me around long enough to gain the strength to accept responsibilty to see through the illusions of life...one day, one step and one mask at a time.....wisdom comes from gaining courage to face reality and smile through the tears of pain and resulting joy. ;)

P.S. In loving and giving "my bitch" her due it has been like I diffused my overused stick of dynamite (major coping skill) and my only saving grace these days for the most part is others remembering the dynamite and not wanting to risk lighting the fuse.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Owning my bitch freed me from much anger and now she lays so low that more often than not I can't truly find her!! 8-)

Christine wrote:Image
Narcissus (1590s) by Caravaggio (Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica, Rome)

A question once posed and held long enough and when it emerges with a sincere desire to know will bring answers. A reemerging question for me is; Are all humans plagued with degrees of narcissism? And if not narcissistic are most caught in a self absorbed reflection of self? Oh, the subtleties!

Allowing myself a moment to reflect back and disclose an inner piece of me. Several years ago while fleeing and disengaging from a person who had all the traits of a narcissist took me into one of the more frightening memories I’ve had to endure and stay with long enough to glean the needed wisdom and take one more step toward freedom.

As I was reeling around inside with hurt and feelings of total betrayal I arrived at a me that was so empty, so vacant, so taken over that she projected an arrogant disregard for life… her finger pointing out to the dark entities who and what to destroy next. To say it felt horrible doesn’t do justice to the realization that my soul was once so captured that it could not exercise its free will. This me was sitting in a high throne of stone, haughty and cold in her emptiness. The onslaught of shame along with the desire for redemption left me feeling so puny and insignificant… thanks to some dear women friends I was able to stay with these feelings and allow them to show me how I ever got to this place in the beginning. What occurred was I could see the multiple lifetimes I had prior to arriving at this despicable me, lifetimes of enduring torture, both in this reality and others. In that manner I found a true forgiveness for myself along with a deeper compassion for those who are similarly implanted and vacant.

What happen after this was I returned to myself in this present life with the astounding and freeing realization of just how self absorbed I was, how fear and doubts are used to compress the soul into base (ego) survival instincts, a place where there is no room for others. Finally came relief and a burst of laughter to let me know that I had absolved this part of me and taken another step toward my boundless soul.

Much has been written about the relationship of the empath and the narcissist but this isn’t what I want to address here, it is more a prodding to those who have these traits to dive deeper into their own darkness, to find the courage to embrace and love even their worst characteristics.

Once the truth is seen it can’t be unseen and in that is our liberation. Until we meet our own darkness it plays in the background finding ways to impose itself, some mannerisms so subtle that they can barely be seen and others so outrageous that it is a surprise they aren’t seen.

Love unbound, fierce and free.
Christine

Degrees in measure, for those who might make offense of what I am posting let me be clear that I am not naming anyone simply sharing my own despicable me story, perhaps a guide to those caught in any of these characteristics, there is always a way through.

“Life is a stage, and when the curtain falls upon an act, it is finished and forgotten. The emptiness of such a life is beyond imagination.”
– Alexander Lowen describing the existence of a narcissist
.

Four dimensions of narcissism as a personality variable have been delineated as leadership/authority, superiority/arrogance, self-absorption/self-admiration and exploitativeness/entitlement.

Narcissists typically display most and sometimes all of the following traits:
  • • An obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges
    • Problems in sustaining satisfying relationships
    • A lack of psychological awareness.
    • Difficulty with empathy.
    • Problems distinguishing the self from others.
    • Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults.
    • Vulnerability to shame rather than guilt.
    • Haughty body language.
    • Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply).
    • Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse).
    • Using other people without considering the cost of doing so.
    • Pretending to be more important than they actually are.
    • Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements.
    • Claiming to be an "expert" at many things.
    • Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people
    • Denial of remorse and gratitude.
Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:
  • Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
    Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to "dump" shame onto others.
    Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may "reinflate" their sense of self-importance by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
    Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person or their achievements.
    Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
    Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other person is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
    Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.
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