Christine wrote:... some of the wisest point out that using labels, box identities, soap opera drama, etc. are so deeply entrenched in our human consciousness that only we can get out of our own way.
It is not always easy to distinguish accurate descriptors from labels. Indeed, one of the primary strategies sociopaths use when exposed by accurate descriptors is to accuse their opponents of labelling, thus diffusing and deflecting the truth.
Christine wrote:First and this might be obvious to most of us, all perspectives can be fortified with documentation and our opinions swayed with well crafted writing playing on human emotions.
This point is vital and precisely my opposition to Pluto's Child and his reliance on Kurlander's book. An occult force controlling Hitler like a complete puppet needs multifaceted support from multiple independent sources. I have not encountered any such sources in the last few years researching the truth about Hitler. I only have one such data point, that being PC's claim and his offering of Kurlander's book as supporting evidence. Not even the pervasive propaganda maligning Hitler suggests he was a complete puppet controlled by occult means! I suggest that is because the originators of that propaganda knew full well that Hitler was acting independently of outside influence, and thus they had to accommodate that fact if their propaganda was to be believable. Hitler's personality, as described in August Kubizek's
book (and by other sources), was one of honesty, resoluteness, uncompromising principle, practicality, attention to detail, and realism. In other words, Hitler was no push-over and nobody's puppet. Nearly everything in his speeches and actions confirmed this. In fact, this is precisely why Germany was targeted with a global war for the second time by the ruling sociopaths -- they failed to gain control of Hitler by all other means.
Christine wrote:We are living under the tyranny of the victors of WWI and WWII with their well developed propaganda and perversion of whatever truth there was in these world atrocities.
Concisely stated. This is where I'm coming from as well.
Christine wrote:So if a pendulum must swing lets swing it to the far extreme to see what is hidden from us.
We need only pursue the truth and let the pendulum follow us. Where the pendulum ends up is of no consequence if it accurately measures the truth.
Christine wrote:One of my first questions and it should be a rather blaring one: Why is it illegal to bring anything that disproves and underscores the lies we've been told about Hitler and the holocaust to the surface?
Ernst Zündel, Ursula Haverbeck, David Irving to mention a few have paid dearly for their research. They have been thrown in jail, banned from countries, had their research stolen and their characters smashed. That tells us something or we haven't learned a thing from all these years looking down the rabbit holes of the dark governmental agendas.
Bravo, and another vital point. The influence of the occult pales in comparison.
Christine wrote:Winston Churchill was a drunken war mongering slathering slob...
Labels, or accurate descriptors? I rest my case on that one.
Christine wrote:... and yet we are to think/believe that somehow he and his imperialistic paid for cronies were upholding the good fight? Why do we allow the likes of him and Stalin to be preserved unquestioned in the false annals of time while allowing Hitler to be branded as the greatest evil that ever lived? Hitler who we are to believe/think of as a madman bent on taking over the world.
And don't forget Roosevelt, another villain dressed up as a hero. He knew the Pearl Harbor attack was coming, and he deliberately did not inform the Hawaii military command. Why? Because his orders from his handlers were to get the U.S. into the war against Germany.
Christine wrote:My research gives me a differing point of view and while I can't say with 100% certainty that Hitler wasn't influenced by nefarious elements his character speaks for itself if you take enough time to look without the veils of prejudice. I would go far enough to say that "knowing what we know now" with access to so much information and a bigger world view it is most likely that he was unduly influenced.
Hitler was deceived and manipulated a number of times. The genocide of Germans in Poland was a deliberate provocation designed to get Hitler to intervene, so that the war could be blamed on him and not England, which was a primary base of the deceivers and manipulators (i.e. the City of London financial district). Hitler was also manipulated by his doctor in the latter part of the war, using "medications". There are surely other manipulations that are less well known and unknown.
Christine wrote:We also are wise enough to know that there will always be elements that seek power within any structure and being inside the SS or close to Adolf was a way to usurp power and use it for personal gain or madmen type egomania. I could not deny that this happened. What we don't know is how aware Adolf was of these rogue agents.
Again, I salute your astuteness. I suggest that Hitler had good awareness of human psychology, both normal and sociopathic, derived from his early family life and his experiences in WW1, but our information is certainly incomplete and even deliberately sabotaged.
Christine wrote:Lets just take a look at the word Nazi, this word along with holocaust has specific and narrow interpretations in the collective mind. Both are terms of propaganda and have taken on a nearly archetypal meaning.
That too, as you point out, is very telling.
Christine wrote:For myself on looking deeper I find that there are the "secrets of power" contained within this knowledge, the truth of magnetism and the ability to harness it. How this energy was used is what we should be concerned with. And anyone who has access to it will be tested to the fullness of their integrity else they will fall to the use of power over, such was perhaps the way of Aleister Crowley and others. For as they say absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I've come to realize only recently that the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is part of our programming and is not really true. What is more truthful is that power attracts the corrupted. Sociopaths are drawn to power like moths to a flame. From the perspective of normal people, it might look like "absolute power corrupts absolutely", but that's not what is actually going on.
Christine wrote:Implosion vs explosion: Implosion is a way to harness this energy without destruction while anything that explodes (nuclear bombs, internal combustion engines, etc.) is destructive.
Yes, Viktor Schauberger comes to
mind.
Christine wrote:On a more collective scale if we humans were able to harness the endless source of energy as free energy without killing or harming for it we would be able to implement a sane world. But we are still ruled by madmen.
Very much so, which is precisely why free energy technologies are withheld from us.
Christine wrote:I see no reason to bicker here ... and less reason to bring into the forum the mechanization of other forums.
Is it possible that this too is an artefact of programming picked up from other forums? I suggest that it may very well be. Avalon was infamous for enforcing "no bickering", no unapproved drama, no reference to other forums, respect for "Bill's house" and Bill's rules, no real criticism of Bill, strict policing of members based on variable policies, etc. As a forum operator myself, I have had to question how my experiences at other forums have shaped my own biases. Trying to undo those biases has been an interesting study in itself, and well worth the effort.