Someone help me here

[Hermit]

Can someone explain to me the logic behind the right to bear arms if that right means that people will die because the wrong people have the right to bear arms to enforce their will?

Can someone explain to me the logic behind owning a gun, unless you live in an area which it benefits you (for hunting, for example)?

What happened in Orlando today grieves me, not because it is a simple shift to say an "Islamic extremist", but because nobody seems to be able to see that society is based on the capital of scape goats as trade. Someone has to be a victim, someone has to be a perpetrator, and you better make sure you're on the victim side because perps get slain.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this? The whole world fooling themselves into thinking they are lambs when they are really wolves in sheep's clothing?

50 people died today in Orlando so that the rest of society could literally be affirmed: yes, it's ok to be a victim, to be suffering, to have a reason to stay unrealized.

I'm going into my garden today to build a raised vegetable plot.

Christine...you wanted a topic for the next conversation? I think we found it.

[Christine]

Hermit, the garden is a good place to be.

We have just returned from a road trip high into the mountains, no internet or cell coverage for three blessed days of hiking and camping. I will write about the trip later as it was instructive and beautiful on so many levels, unformed questions were given silent answers as only She can.

You start by asking a question; the "logic" behind the right to bear arms. I won't write a treatise on the topic which I feel is well covered by many more politically astute than myself. The quote that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" ought to sum it up. The nutshell answer is that we live in a world at war, a war consciousness that pervades the current reality and those unfortunate to have been thus indoctrinated (read, mind controlled) are susceptible to the triggering of their broken psyches.

What always surprises me is that the hierarch-patriarchs come out shouting for gun control while they are the very ones ordering drone strikes on innocent citizens in countries like Syria ... this blatant hypocrisy flies under the radar of the mourners who are too busy most days to give a shit about mass murder.

Yes, dear Hermit, the most of the world is fooling themselves in their lambs wool cloaking, their inability to penetrate reality beyond their own noses, ie: their own selfish life style where they consume the labor of children in the name of sanctity.

However, the world that is emergent, the Whole World is the one that my energy flows ceaselessly to these days... too many are slaughtered, be they in Orlando or Palestine, the blood thirsty usurpers of our world are on notice. And to those who died, your souls are set free to be met by those who have gone before you, guiding spheres of radiant light ... we only mourn those who are left behind.

Letting go of the fear of death ... only the physical is finite as we currently know it.

Love unbound dear brother,
Christine

Can someone explain to me the logic behind the right to bear arms if that right means that people will die because the wrong people have the right to bear arms to enforce their will?

Can someone explain to me the logic behind owning a gun, unless you live in an area which it benefits you (for hunting, for example)?

What happened in Orlando today grieves me, not because it is a simple shift to say an "Islamic extremist", but because nobody seems to be able to see that society is based on the capital of scape goats as trade. Someone has to be a victim, someone has to be a perpetrator, and you better make sure you're on the victim side because perps get slain.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this? The whole world fooling themselves into thinking they are lambs when they are really wolves in sheep's clothing?

50 people died today in Orlando so that the rest of society could literally be affirmed: yes, it's ok to be a victim, to be suffering, to have a reason to stay unrealized.

I'm going into my garden today to build a raised vegetable plot.

Christine...you wanted a topic for the next conversation? I think we found it.

[Hermit]

I think the reason it's especially difficult to understand the 'difficulty behind gun control' is that in Canadian society, people do own guns. They hunt with them, or they use them to protect themselves from wildlife (bears, cougars), or they're just a part of farm life. Beyond that, we don't need guns up here. We never have! And I'm not sure if that's because our country wasn't founded in a revolution or what. Yes, guns don't kill people. People do. Every time I hear that, I try to find the words to adequately express how ridiculous that logic sounds. Then I remember the Canada Party did it first:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrhWxKg30Is[/youtube]

[Phil]

Can someone explain to me the logic behind the right

Logic is boring, and "rights" are a delusion. And despite what most Americans like to believe, we are entitled to neither.

[Hermit]

Logic is....lol necessary. Rights are a delusion if you feel entitled instead of earning them. All human beings are entitled to the right to earn both. Few if any choose. That, my friend, is the bottom line. Maybe the Georgia Guidestones weren't so much a guide as a prophetic telling of the truth, of the future. "This is what you're headed for."

[Phil]

My point is that all you will hear about is the issues with emotional attachments and hooks, which have nothing to do with logic. That's how we roll down here, or at least how our media tells us we do...

[Edythe]

I live in America too. And I'm a realist. I refuse to give up my right to bear arms and my right to protect myself and my loved ones with force if need be. When I was younger, I thought that all we had to do is think good thoughts.. send out love into the universe and all of this violence and hatred would melt away. Now, I see how depraved, psychopathic and violent the world has become. I refuse to willing give up my firearms and think good thoughts while my loved ones are being hurt or killed. I haven't given up on LOVE, but, I am thinking logically and realistically about our situation on Earth. ... and I'm thinking that I'd like to catch the next spaceship off this planet! Don't know where I'd go... someplace peaceful would be nice. How's that for logical, realistic thinking????

♥E

[Hermit]

Funny Edythe....I've never thought about needing a gun to protect myself, and I only live just across the border in Canada.

Thoughts?

[Christine]

Funny Edythe....I've never thought about needing a gun to protect myself, and I only live just across the border in Canada.

Thoughts?

Direct questions tend to draw out my attempts to answer. Owning a gun or anything that could be considered a weapon is a matter of choice and IMHO should be considered a right, as is any choice in a free universe.

That choice however implicates a liability, as does any choice we make, "the state of being responsible for something, especially by law." I am speaking about Natural Law here, not the fictitious body of statues that most currently view as binding. Geez, it ought to be blatantly obvious that the tangled web of statues, limitations and registrations used to regulate humans has had an adverse effect on human kindness, judgement and character.

My personal anecdote on gun ownership follows:

I consciously chose to not posses a fire arm even though I had ample reason to do so, indeed the men around me were most insistent that I needed it for my protection. You see I lived alone on a rural country property with very limited cell phone service. My partner at the time had recently been shot because of an ongoing feud over water rights (damn, there is that "right" word again), he survived but decided to leave the country and heal in peace where he felt it was safe.

This is how I reached my decision, I feel energy and holding the hand gun in my hand while considering, it felt as if I would draw some violence toward me, that I was informing the universe somehow I needed protection. I can be very reckless but this decision was carefully weighed. I chose to Trust my instincts and "Universal Protection Package" and for me it worked out. How it worked out I have later learned, it was the power of my conviction that informed and so the world conformed to me.

That being shared I will also state unequivocally that I stand as firm in anyone else's conviction and right to choose. If Edythe feels that a gun is a protection then she is godly given that right to choose. We are both liable for our choices, ie: it could have worked out differently and maybe my lesson was I needed a gun, turned out that wasn't the case. Maybe for Edythe if she didn't maintain her decision that without the firearm harm would come ... the whole point is that We The People accept our soul responsibility of our free will choice.

[Phil]

Guns are the tool of choice of civilization determine "rights".

No matter how attached to the idea of "laws"...or how we deny that no matter how indirectly, they (laws) are all enforced by them (guns)

Conversation about the emotional charged issue "GUN OWNERSHIP" will be no different than any other (abortion, gay rights, etc)...ie have no practical value...until that reality is recognized, rather than fantasies that spawn from our emotional attachments and personal issues.

They exist. They are the difference maker. When was the last time you have seen any form of "entertainment" on a shiny rectangle that didn't have at least one present? They ain't gonna go away...seems to me our current views (lies to ourselves) of them needs to though.